I had a very interesting experience the other day…one that I haven’t encountered in a while, but I’m sure happens every single day. I’ve been lucky up until this point, I suppose, to only encounter people who are accepting of my beliefs and the information I present, and if they aren’t, they kindly keep it to themselves.
Like everyday I check my “incoming links” to see who’s linking to me or talking about my blog so that I can thank them for helping me out. Well–I followed one of the links to a forum the other day, which was a “vampire lifestyle support” forum. I was pretty impressed, and there were some great people in there answering questions for the people that came in and said “OMGZ vampires exist?!” or “I think I’m a vampire, help!” It was great…
…until I started getting a little further in, where some guy came in and started tearing these people apart. He claimed he was “debating” but in all honesty he was just being condescending, unreasonable and rude. He claimed he’s been researching vampires for five years and he had a speech prepared on the proof that they don’t exist (which he copied and pasted into the forum).
That’s fine…state your opinion. But when the vampyres in the forum proceeded to kindly disagree he would pound them with remarks such as (and these are taken completely out of context, it’s just the condescending tone I’m talking about):
” Yeah it’s a little thing call eating food. You should try it sometime.”
“Would like to try the “vampires have already back their claims bullshit again?”"
“If you do a little RESEARCH which you vamps are avoiding it like it was the plague, you would know that the type of anemia that is not treatable, is the one that people who are HIV positive! Once again you guys don’t like looking for answers so you stick a monster sticker on yourself and be done with it. Wow what kind of lable would I would choose if I never look up infomation about my dyslexia? One eye one horned flying purple people eater?”
He got every assumption he made about them wrong, and continued to demand “tangible” proof that vampyres existed. Everyone, to my surprise, stayed very calm and tried to explain things to him and correct his misconceptions, but he continued to come back with claims that our explanations were vague, inaccurate, or had an alternate explanation that could be explained by any array of medical conditions that he’d “researched.”
I honestly wanted to participate in this thread, but his ignorance is leading me to act like I normally would not…and I don’t even want to go there.
The thing is–there is not “tangible” proof of everything that exists. No matter how hard you try, there are not yet scientific instruments that can record energetic or spiritual experiences. (With the exception being the camera that photographs the aura, but this does not show how the person is actually altering the aura as this man demanded.) Some vampyres display certain visual effects of vampyrism, such as fatigue if they have not fed for a long time, and evidently there are a good many that exist for sanguinarian vampyres that do not even touch what psychic vampires experience. (Photosensitivity, anemia, etc.) But these are not symptoms of some vampyre condition, they are simply effects that vary from person to person, or do not exist at all in some, and can not always be associated with vampyres. Not all vampyres have anemia, not all anemics are vampyres. You see?
Vampyrism, when it boils down to it, is an energetic thing a spiritual thing (even the blood-letting kind) and neither can be perceived with the eyes or measured tangibly.
One of the girls in the forum made a very good point, and I’m going to have to paraphrase because it’s now 240+ pages long and I can’t find it, but she said something to the effect of: “There are no concrete facts, because we don’t know all of the answers ourselves.”
Wisest words I’ve heard all day. Vampyres are human beings too, and in being, are all different. Things that affect one vampyre, may never affect another. Some feeding techniques will work for some and not others. But most of all, there is no concrete proof, no checklist, to lable someone a vampyre. And from what it sounded like, if he didn’t have this, he refused to believe there was a possibility that there were modern day vampyres speaking to him on that thread.
It’s sad, really. If you go through life demanding proof for everything you wish to believe in. There is so much that can not be seen or touched that you miss out on if you live this way.
But in the end…he’ll leave feeling triumphant, and the vampyres will continue being vampyres. Proof, or no proof.
So, the moral of the story is:
1. Not everything needs proof to exist.
2. There is no need to “flame” the people who believe something different than you.
3. Ignorance…is not bliss.
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I want to congratulate you and all the other vampyres that stuck to their beliefs with composure and maturity. It is this attitude that makes us better people. As a therian, I can appreciate what it’s like to have to defend your way of life sometimes.
I can understand why he would fight so blindly against it.
Its a bit scary.
I mean i realize its all very normal for you and all the other vampyres but for people who have spent there whole lives thinking they didn’t exist and then finding out they do. The thing is you just don’t want to belive it. It goes against everything you thought you knew on the subject. I don’t want to believe you. So its like I do but I don’t and I’m sorry but I want to be able to sleep at night and vampyres and werewolves
were the thing I wasn’t afraid of because they didn’t exist and now that they potentially do its just scary. So even though he was a complete ass it could have been a little bit out of fear and wanting to convince himself that it wasn’t true.
It’s also like those few atheist who “argue” there’s no God because no one can prove there is or people who say magic and witchcraft is all B.S. because they’re never seen it work.
People are usually very attached to their paradigmes of Reality, whatever they are. It’s very difficult to convince most of them that stuff they thought was true, isn’t.
Honestly, even when it was your own view of Reality being scrambled by this stuff, wasn’t it a bit difficult? I know it was for me.
Well,you have a very good argument…and a long one two!:-)Mithologycal creatures and witchcraft are one of my hobbyes,obsesion…we don’t know if they exist or not but I’m there is something out there waiting the right time to come.We can’t profe,because we don’t sure if even God is real.Good luck and hold hardly to you’re beleaves!
That was a rather interesting post, I must say. You argued your point rather cogently. Keep up the good work.. I’m sure you’ll have me returning to your blog
thank u for defending us so maturly, i will definatly be coming back
Very interesting read; although I personally cannot fully understand why some feel the need to debunk everything. I do however on the other hand understand that fear is often the drive for this. Fear of the unknown, fear or a force greater than yourself. Well I hate to burst anyone’s bubble but there are forces greater than yourself. Not everything is understood; and simply running a “google” search on the subject; may not give you all the answers. Why would a Vampire hide his or herself from the prying eyes of the ignorant? Because they tend to destroy which they do not understand or comprehend. -Namaste everyone
Once again – Very interesting read. Thank you for posting and to all those who try to keep an open mind on Life in general.
as a person who is just starting to come out to friends about what i am, it is people like that who make it hard to accept what i am openly.thank you so much to all who defend us. it means so much
I hate people like that
with a passion, =P
Oh well, there will always be people like that, jacka**es will never cease to exist, sad isnt it?
Though there is one disease that stands out that i truly believe caused some of the old mythes and legends about vamps, Porphyria, Pretty nasty disease, In my life being a Hospital Corpsman in the U.S. Navy I’ve had a few run ins with it, its very sad to see, the poor souls cant go out into sunlight or they start blistering and burning, and their skin peel sometimes (which happens to me, though not quite as extreme, my skiin is just very sensitive to the sun i suppose , but not because of the disease, when i first started showing “cravings” for blood and feeling drained of energy and all of that good stuff my immediate thought was porphyria, but apparently that wasnt it, so yeah, after searching around and asking questions etc etc etc I came to the conclusion that i was a hybrid vamp, which is nice because i can use both methods to “feed” =D, though blood seems to give me a more well pure, direct form of energy, but enough about that haha, gosh i rant a lot) plus the people with porphyria are missing a certain protein in their hemoglobin, so they need injections of blood, but in the olden days they’d end up killing people and drinking their blood to settle the abdominal pains
hah, well i think I’ve typed enough
With Regards
Nuge
very good argument…. but really i am….. contact me if you need some answers on how vampirism affects you, how you know you are one, and the physical affects of addiction…. email me @ YObailsalicioUS@aim.com no rude e-mails… please
and if you do not believe in vampirism … keep it to yourself…